Rootstech 2013

Roots tech 2013 has been exciting .The classes are great, the entertainment wonderful,the exhibition hall even better. I have learned so much and reconnected with a cousin I have not seen in over 45 years. Our only regret choosing the Crystal inn for accommodations. The bed was old. Shuttle service to the event was even worse to none existence. I give them a minus one star

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1940 First Indexer Award

The displayer of this badge certifies that he or she is a proud
indexer of the 1940 Census.
1. Name: Robert Givens
2. First Indexed: April 4, 2012
3. First Batch:  Arkansas
4. Favorite experience: I found both of my parents in Idaho
5. I learned about this award from the blog of “Givens Gaggles
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Thanksgivings Past

The turkey is in the oven, the wind is blowing outside, family members are sleeping in and the kids are busy relaxing.  Now would be a great time to spend a few moments being thankful for ancestors now gone who sacrificed so much to allow us this wonderful day.  To the Carter family who came to Virginia in the early days of our history bringing many indentured servants with them.  To the Ives family who settled in New Haven Connecticut in their quest for religious freedom. To the Cransdorf family who left their beloved home in the Palantine Region of Germany in their quest for religious freedom eventually settling in The Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. And we can’t forget the many men who sacrificed so much for the freedom we enjoy today. The revolutionary Patriots, David Ives and Caleb Smith of Vermont, George Grandstaff and John Beadle of Virginia, John Madden and William Hubbs of South Carolina.  The Patriots of 1812 Osborne, William, and Thomas Beadle of Tennessee, Phillip Grandstaff of Virginia and David Ives Jr of Vermont.  And of course we can’t forget our Civil War Soldier both North and South. Even closer to home are those who preserved our freedom in later times. Charles Henry Burrow who was a merchant marine in World War II. Donald Neumann in the Korean War  Dan Burrow in The VietNam War and James Valle in the Afganastan War.  To each of these brave men my thanks goes out.

Today I am Thankful for my family my freedom a husband who loves me, Children who have grown up to be responsible parents in their own rights and a long line of progenitors who have paved the way for me to enjoy this wonderful day with my family.  Each one has  a story to tell and life that was lived in honor.

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Flip-Pal A Genealogists dream come true

Nothing like being in a Library and having to wait in line to use the copy machine only to be told you can’t use the machine on a

particular book.  Or better yet waiting in line for the Library to be open and find out that you can’t take anything in but a notebook and pencil.   Flip-Pal is your new answer.  Not only is it the best tool around for researching in the Library but it makes a wonderful companion when you are visiting a relative who has lots of pictures but won’t let you take them out of their home to make copies.  Of course you can always use a camera and spend time setting it up making sure the lighting is right only to get home and discover the picture didn’t turn out quite the way you wanted. Or you can set and visit and quickly scan all the pictures you could possibly want in a fraction of the time.   What is even better is the ability to take a large picture scan it in several sections and then have your computer stitch the picture back together when you get home.  The stitching software comes on the SD Card that comes with your flip-pal.  For $149.00 you can purchase a flip-pal with the SD card and the stitching program.  For $199.00 you can purchase the Flip Pal and photo editing software, a genealogy program and a digital scrapbooking program. (Over $250.00 worth of Products).

If you are interested in purchasing one or would like more information please contact me personally through the contact sight on this website. You can also order one from http://flip-pal.com/katsmountain

A genealogists Dream Come True

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Time Out For Women

 

“Title: Time Out For Women
Location: Fresno Convention Center
Link out: Click here
Description: You won’t want to miss this great event. Wonderful speakers, Great Music and over 1600 special women for a weekend of fun and spiritual renewal. There are still a few tickets left for $69.00 each. The price goes up at the door.  Women need an occassional time out and this is a wonderful way to spend it.  I promise you will come away uplifted and ready to meet new challenges in your life. 

Start Date: 2011-4-08
End Date: 2011-4-09″

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Alabama Look Ups.

 

“As I was sitting at my desk looking at all the genealogy books sitting on the shelfs in my office that have been cataloged used a few times and then put away I had this over whelming desire to help other people do their own research. Not that I don’t get plenty of oppurtunites to do that anyway. But why not use my computer hours helping other people instead of playing silly computer games and not thinking.  So with that in mind I decided to start my own Random acts of genealogy kindness by featuring my own books and CD’s.  Therefore for this coming week I will feature my books from Alabama.  If you have ancestors in Alabama and need information out one of the following books let me know. I would ask that you limit your requests to no more than 3 surnames at a time.  If you would like printed copies of information I find I will be glad to help you for the cost of the paper and mailing fees.  You can contact me via the contact button on the left hand side of the screen.

Alabama Records I own:

1820 Census Index Alabama Jackson, Ronald Vern
Alabama Family History and Genealogy News 1987,1988 NACGS
Alabama Records vol 101 Jones, Kathleen & Gandrud, Pauline
Annals of Northwest Alabama (2 vol) Elliott, Carl
Federal Census Index 1870 Alabama and Florida Heritage Quest
Federal Census 1870 state of Alabama Heritage Quest
Land Records, Al, Ar, Fl, La, Mi, Mn, Oh, Wi, 1790-1907 FTM
1850 US Federal Census, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi FTM
Early Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi Settlers 1700-1800′s FTM
Winston, An Antebellum and Civil War History of Hill Co. North Alabama Dodd, Donald B. and Wynelle S.
Federal Census 1860 Madison Co. Alabama Heritage Quest
Early History of Huntsville (Madison Co.) Alabama 1804-1870 Ancestryarhives.org
Revolutionary Soldiers in Alabama Owen, Thomas

Happy Hunting;

Kathy “

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Creating the History in Family History

“Every once in awhile an artifact will come across your desk when doing genealogy that makes all the hours of researching worth it.  Sometimes its in the form of a particular article left by an ancestor, it may be the family bible or even an old picture. But when it’s a letter written  from one family member to another over 100 years ago it makes all the searching worth it.  Although you may only recieve a copy  the original letter the family still comes alive.  I always wondered why my husband’s  3 great grandmother Elizabeth Ellis Carter was alone in the census in 1850.  She had small children but no husband.  He appeared with her in 1860 in Texas but in 1850 she seemed to be alone living near family. Where had Jasper gone and why wasn’t where I thought he should have been? One day I recieve a packet in the mail from another family reserch which contained the letter found below along with dates and places of other family members. Suddenly the mystery was  solved and Jasper became an exciting piece of History in our family. His story and insight about the gold rush has been shared in numerous class room assignments over the years.  Jasper was now a real person with real feelings and real insights into the history of our Country. These little tidbits of Family History make all the hours of searching worth the effort.  So don’t just gather facts and figures when doing your genealogy. Look for the stories behind them.  Create Family Histories that will bind you to your ancestors and please don’t put the stories in your notes and forget them. Pass them on to your children and allow them to understand the sacrifices their ancestors made to allow them the freedoms they enjoy today.    The following letter is transcribed exactly as it was written and spelled.

Letter written by Jasper Carter to his wife Elizabeth S. Carter    From San Jose Va. Cal. June 1st 1853

 Mrs. E.S. Carter                                                  San Jose Val. Cal.

                                                                           June 1st /53

Dear Betty

                 This is the 2nd letter I write sinse receiving one of you.  Nevertheless if my letter receive as cordial a welcome in your hand as yours do in mine I should not fail or neglect writing frequently I am hapy to announce my health hopeing that the same irrestissable gift may constantly attend you all.  I recieved Amelias letter in due season and answered the same some weeks since It seems bearly possible for you to conceive how greatly I desire to greet our little ones to take part in pointing them to the first principles of true greatness and moral excellence to assist you in directing their feet in pease along the shimering pathway of the just to the sun lit hills of immortality I am convinsed that you possess the ability both natural and acquired of wielding a more powerful and efficient infulence over their minds for good than myself Remember I beseech thee Remember now is the time Sinse I wrote last nothing has occured in this country of importence to you or any one else that I know of

I did not have sufficient space in my last letter to say all that I wished to say You wished to know who had injured me and in what respect they are all straingers to you the principle mans Name is Dale and the sircumstances are about these Dale had a horse shot about the same time there was a cow shot belonging to him or some of his clique I know nor care not which but so it was said that he believed that my partner or me one or the other did it and ever since then he has been endeavoring to the utmost extent of his ability to prejudice the public mind against us not notwithstanding all that he has been able to effect we yet have at least a few substantial friends who still have the impudence to stand up for us   You say that you have been looking for my thousand Dollar bills to drop out for some time that is  no means an unreasonable expectation but since leaving the mines I have hardly had money enough in hand at one time to justify going to San Francisco to purchase a bill of exchange but the first sale I make of stock amounting to anything worth while I will send you the money unless I sell all at one time and bring it along with me  Since I have been in the valey I have had all my little fortune profitably invested and I think tolerably safely too    If I can make any reasonable and right calculation I have done better in the Ranching business upon an avarige than I did mineing but I do not wish to make the impresion on your mind that I have done well for infact I think that I have done a very slim busines considering the openings for well doing in this country and yet it is better than I posibly could have done else where   It is growing quite late at night therfore I must bid you adieu for the present..  Write me often my love you can scarcely imagine what a joy what a comfort it is to hear from you in this far off land to learn that your heart is still faithful and loveing and true I have not always perhaps never written as I would have spoken had we been face to face yet it does seem if it can be possible that since our seperation I feal a more devoted attchment for you than ever and although some who know the fealings and emotions which swell my aching bosom might be ready to conclude that if he loved her he would bewith her but ah how  could I forget thee how could I feal indifferent towards that one whose affections I have gained and weded in her girlhood will you for me kiss that sweet babe I’ve never seen may never see   My love to the children all my kind regards to all the family

                                                                                                Jasper Carter

 The following forwarding letter from Bettie Carter to Jackson Carter is found on the backside of jasper’s second sheet.

 Elliston Ky   July 25 1853

 Dear Brother I send you the last letter I have received from your brother Jasper you can read the contents I am happy to say this leaves us in health and hope it may find you enjoying the same blessing I would be very glad to hear from you indeed I think this is the third one of Jaspers letters I have sent you I would like to know whether you recieved them or not   My brothers and Sisters families are well and send their love to you al   Brother Peter has gone south will be back in about a week I have nothing of interest to write your relations are well in fayette as far as I know and the old neighbors are also well I heard from them last Monday George Egbert Lunsford are likely to remain Bachelors also all cousin George Mitchel boys I think there are about 6 there Millie Lyon is married.  She married a grandson of Unce Hezzie L…n His name is

John Marders I have understood that it is thought that Cousin Mary Nelson will marry this fall Susan Gosney looks very well indeed and is as lively as a cricket O how glad I would be to see you all once more particularly Mother I hope we may live to see each other yet if Jas ever is so fortunate as to get back I intend for us all to pay you a visit i shall look for him about christmas any how I will close by subscribing your loving sister write soon remember me to all Bettie S Carter   Jackson Carter

P S    Sarah Jane Brother Peters girl com to her death last Saturday week ago by hanging herself  cause unknown   Be sure to write as soon as you get this

                 Bettie

 on side of Page   Mercola sends his love to you and says he would like to see you”

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Organize your Genealogy from the beginning.

“For many genealogical researhers the task of organizing years of records from file cabinets to computer based programs is an overwhelming task.  The age of computers and digitization is upon us and the years of file folders and big cabinets are gone. So instead of doing research many of us are busy making a huge transition from the old to the new.  The problem is the new changes each day and keeping up can be a little tricky. For those of you who are just beginning may I suggest that you begin with a plan in mind.  Organize from day one.  It will make your life so much easier and your work much more appealing to your tech savvy decendants.

 There is no right way to organize your records.  The important thing is to organize them in a way in which you and those coming after you will be able to quickly set down and evaluate what you have already accomplished and then pick up the research where you ended.   Whether you use  the computer, 3 ring binders or file folders for those important can’t dispose of documents matters not.  The important thing is that you are organized and have a systematic system easy to understand by others.There are several items to consider when setting up your system 1.  Do you have an archival copy either in the form of a  3 ring binder, a CD, or published as a book. 2..  Do you have your original documents filed by name,  by locality, or alphabetically 3.  Do you have an index to your original documents.  I use my research log as my index. 4.  Do you have a systematic working copy which you will take to the Library with you which needs to include a research log, possibly a family group sheet, a pedigree chart, a notebook system for your notes with a defined way in which you will make your documentation which is easy for you to use. 5   Do you file your families by Surname or a group of surnames using a system or the surname, given name then by locality, or just the surname and locality  6. Do you have an easy to understand easy to read system by which your notes can be read and understood. 7.  Did you make a transcription of your original documents if so do they refer to the location of the original document in your filing system? 8. Do you have your correspondence organized in a manner that can be understood by others?  I keep a correspondence log, abstract the pertinant data, and special stories, even digitizing the really important letters. 9.  Is your system set up that if you leave a surname for awhile can you quickly return to it with  very little evaluation?

Keep a working Notebook or File.  It is important to try and keep everything uniform and in some kind of systematic order.  It is too easy and tempting to write down information on little scraps of paper and then forget to add it to your documentation at home.  Use a documentation notebook or some other form of filing system when working at the Library. These little steps can make a world of difference later in your research. Always keep good research logs.  Use forms to help keep information together and  Keep paper the same size or if its small attach it to a bigger piece of paper.   Take the time to properly file the information when you get home.  After a research trip don’t move on until  you have taken the time to evaluate and file  the information you gleaned from the previous trip Remember: You will have to spend almost as much time if not more at home imputing the information you find and properly organizing it as you will at a Library.

Computerized Documentation should follow rules you can use and understand.  My mom’s way of organizing her records is not my way and so it is important to figure out your own system. One you are comfortable with. It can be as complicated or simple as you would like to make it. In my word processor program I have set up files for different functions.  I use Word Perfect although any word program will work. In my program I have the following files. 1.  File titled Genealogy in which are sub files under various surnames in which I keep my documentation, time lines, histories.  2.  File titled Correspondence Logs= Surname Index to correspondence data 3.  File titled Correspondence Data in which are sub files under various surnames for the data extracted from letters and email.  This may also refer to a PAF File on a Floppy disc with data on it. 4.  File titled Research Logs = Surname  Index to my documentation files and work completed.   I file complete Transcriptions under my documentation referring to the place where the original is kept. In my PAF documentation I put an abstract of that same information.

Remember: It may take awhile to transfer all of your information to the computer but you will find it much easier to work with in the future. Do a little bit each day and the task won’t seem so hard. This is also a good way to take a second look at your information and you will find new areas to research in. Finally create X-Files in your database. This is an excellent place to keep all those people in the area who you can’t connect to yourself. It also makes it   Easy to refer to when corresponding with others and you can easily transfer to your own data base when you make the connecting link.

When doing research in a particular area you always find names that don’t quite fit into your pedigree but they must be related. After all they have the same last name and live in the same locality. Don’t just ignore them. Create a file just for them as well following the same rules you set up for your family; create a X-file by surname, glean the important information and add it to the documentation of your data base.  This way you will always have the information for future use. 

Organization can be the key to a successful genealogical database and make it much easier for you to do your research.  Remember the rules are up to you. You need to be able to use and understand it.   So get organized, and happy hunting.”

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RootsTech Goes Online February 10-12

“Is this great or what.  It seems like there are always conflicts in life and this weekend hasn’t been much different.  How I would love to be in Salt Lake learning all the latest and greatest in the field of Genealogy. What a wonderful conference it always is and I always come home with so much information and such a long to do list.  But when a wonderful you can’t miss Family Event coincides with any event the family wins out. So though my heart may be in Salt Lake my spirit will be California with my family.  Then to my great delight I recieved an email informing me that parts of the conference were going to be shown online. So with the schedule in Hand I am ready to catch at least a few of the classes.   Thanks to the wonderful people in charge of the Seminar I may not be there in Body but I will be attending at least some of it at home. For more information on the classes being shown online. Go To: http://rootstech.familysearch.org/video.php.  Just remember the times listed are MST which means an hour earlier for the West Coast. What a wonderful world we live where we can recieve so much information so easily.”

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William Hubbs of Laurens County South Carolina Patriot or Loyalist ?

“The first colony established on the Ashley river in the present state of south Carolina was in the year 1671.  These early settlers were a group of English people direct from the Old World, and another group, the members of which had been living on the Barbados Island, the southeastern most island in the west Indies.  They called their settlement Charles town.  A few months later some Dutch families, who had left New York after the English had taken over there, had established themselves along the Ashley river.  They were later joined by many families direct from Holland. In 1675 a group of Quakers came into the Territory.  In 1680 about 45 families of Huguenots also established homes there.  In 1684 ten families of Scotch Presbyterians established themselves at Port Royal.  In 1713 the southern Carolina region separated from North Carolina and was recognized as a royal colony in 1723. Immigrants continued to come in large streams until by 1730 there were gathered “on the banks of the Santee, some of the best elements of the European nations.  The Huguenot, the Scotch Presbyterian, the English Dissenter, the Loyalist, and High Churchman, the Irish adventurer and the Dutch mechanic composed the powerful material out of which soon grew the beauty and renown of the Palmetto State

 South Carolina was the eighth state to enter the Union in 1788.  More than a hundred years before in 1683, the first three counties Berkeley, Collation, and Craven were established.  All were discontinued.  By an act ratified in 1769 the province of South Carolina was divided into seven judicial districts; Charleston, Georgetown, Beaufort, Orangeburg, Ninety-six and Caraways.  In 1798 the nine districts then existing were divided again into twenty-four.  From Ninety Six district, Abbeville, Edgefield, Newberry, Spartanburg and Laurens were formed.  It is in this area of south Carolina that we turn our interest.

 Just how early our Hobbs family arrived in South Carolina I do not know but I do know they were among some of the early arrivals. Several family traditions have been passed down from different family historians.  The most popular suggests that William Hubbs the first known ancestor in Laurens County South Carolina was of Scotch-Irish Descent.  One tradition states that he was stolen off the shores of Ireland and brought to America as an indentured servant.  Another tradition suggests that the family originated somewhere near Orange County Virginia and immigrated to South Carolina from there.  This tradition has some merit as there is a William Hubbs in Frederick County Virginia who died in the early 1750′s unfortunately no will can be found and no descendants are listed in any of the known records.  However many of the families who intermarried with the children of William Hubbs also immigrated to Laurens County about the same time that our William appeared there from the same area.

  As early as December 1, 1786 William Hubbs witnessed a land deed between Haisten Doyall ( Haystin Dial) and wife Rebecca to John Todd.[1]The identification of William’s wife comes from a deed dated 11 Dec 1789 in which William Hubbs sells to George Fuller for L20 100 acres on Sm Branch on the North Side of Reaburns Creek originally granted to Margaret Todd. Conveyed to Frederick Little and in 1787 to Wm. Hubbs..  His wife Elizabeth signs her release of Dower rights.[2]  In  Pendleton County the following deed dated 27 Apr 1789 pages 160-161 appears dated 30 May 1789.  Nimrod Williams of Pendleton County, S.C. conveys to Thomas Foster, for L.30. Sterling, a tract of land containing 190 acres in Pendleton County, on the waters of Brushy Creek, bounding south and west by land surveyed for Thomas Hallum, E.  By land surveyed for William Hobbs and William McWilliams’ land. And No. by land surveyed for Watson Allison, and all other sides by vacant land.  S/=Nimrod Williams-Ann (x) Williams .  Wit. William Allison and William McWilliams.[3]

 The 1790 census of the Heads of Household of the United States  in the State of South Carolina does not show the following Hubbs/Hobbs families: William Hubbs living in the  Pendleton District of South Carolina. John Hubbs in the 96th District with a family William Hubbs 96th District Greenville County 1 male 16 and up, 2 m under 16 and 3 f

 The 1800 census of the Heads of Household of the United States in the State of South Carolina list the following information about these two William Hubbs. William Hubbs living in Laurens District with a m 0-9 ,1 m 10-15, 1 m 26-45,one f under 10 and 1 f 26-45.He has no slaves.[4] William Hobbs living in  Pendleton District 2 m 5-10, 1 m 10-16, 1 m over 45, 3 f under 10, 1 f 10-16, 1 f 26-45[5](Note: This could very possibly father and son as there is probably less 25 miles between the two properties discussed in the two counties. Especially since the McWilliams are listed as one of the bordering properties.)

The  1810 census in Laurens County list a William Hubbs with 2 males 10-16, 2 males 16-26 1 males 26-45 and 1 male over 45.  He also shows a female over 45.  

Family Historians have listed the following children for William Hubbs

                1. John Hubbs born 1783 married Isabella Madden both of Laurens Co.

                2. William Hubbs born 18 Feb 1787 in Laurens CS married 28 Nov 1809 to Frances McWilliams and died 17 Sep 1837 in Talladega Alabama.  His was married 2 more times to Mary Sweeney and Mary Posey.

                3.  Nancy Hubbs born 1789 married John bolt Esq.  She died 22 Sep 1854 and is buried in the John Bolt Cemetery Laurens Co. SC.

4.  Lewis Harrison Hubbs born 1791 and married to Nancy Whittington 7 Mar 1821.  He died in Alabama

                5. Charles Hubbs married Mary Taylor and died 29 Sep 1817 in Laurens SC.          

 In the1830 Census John Hubbs Laurens County with 3 boys 0-4, 2 boys 5-9 and he is between 30-39.  He also lists one female 20-29.  He is living in close proximity to several Ellison Families including his father in law Robert Ellison. His sister in law Mary Hubbs is also listed.  William no longer appears in the census records.

A deed recorded on January 10, 1818 states that “Charles Hubbs, late of this County who intermarried with Mary Taylor, daughter of John Taylor, who departed this life on 29 Sep 1817″……And is the son of William Hobbs, A second deed is also recorded as the widow Mary and his father William divide the estate.  Mary taking a Negro  girl as her portion and William taking the land as his portion.  Charles died without issue.  It is interesting to me to note that a single Negro girl was of more value than the 75 acres of land by $25.00. On  9 March 1824 a deed can be found which shows that William was a man of some substance for he held a mortgage on the property of Jonathon and James Motes, which was situated on the waters of Rabourns Creek known as Dirty Creek[6].   A deed dated 18 January 1830 shows  John selling land connected to his brother and father. This is the instrument that lends credence to the relationship between John and Charles for he is selling land, 79 acres which was conveyed by Robert Bryson to Charles Hobbs in the year 1812 and later to William Hubbs.  This appears to be the land inherited by William at the death of his son Charles. The relinquishment of Dower rights substantiates the fact that we are indeed looking at the right John Hubbs for it is signed by his wife Ibby which is a nickname for Isabella Hubbs.  A note here that although William and Elizabeth signed with a mark when they settled the estate , John and Ibby did not.  On  January 14, 1832 John Hubbs sells his plantation  which was deeded to William Hubbs by John and William Martin on September 12, 1796.  Again the relinquishment of Dower rights is signed by John’s wife, Ibby Hobbs and is dated 5 December5 1833. This is the last time this family appears in the Laurens County Documents.

Family historians have been unable to find a record that documents the service of William Hubbs on the American side in the Revolutionary war. There  is however listed in the book Loyalists in the Southern Campaign the following information showing a William Hubbs as a loyalist as late as 1782 Page 229    Pay Abstract No. 1 Colonel Daniel Clary’s Regiment, Dutch Fork Militia (between the Fork of the Broad and Saludy Rivers), Ninety six Brigade, Captain Vachel Clary’s company of men who cane to Orangeburgh with Lieut. Colonel John H. Cruger, 183 days pay, 14 Jun – 13 Dec 1780  No. 3 Private Hubbs, William  Page 273 Pay Abstract No. 161 Major William Cunningham’s Troop of Mili Dragoons, ninety Six Brigade, Charlestown SC 93 days pay.  9 Jul – 9 Oct 1782, 1 Oct 1782    Nr. 11 Private William Hubbs   Mustered at the Shipyard on cooper River 23 Sept  You will also find that at one time John Madden ( grandfather of his sons wife) and other of his neighbors and friends were also a Loyalists as were many of his neighbors.  Bloody Bill Cunningham not only would have been a neighbor but had strong family ties in Frederick County Virginia as well.

A thorough  examination of  the records suggest that  many men in South Carolina began the war fighting for the King and then as truth began to come forth and as the war progressed they switched sides to fight for the Patriots against their friends and brothers  in order to protect their families and feed them during this time of war. To say that William was not a Patriot is to due dishonor to the family name.   Did he fight on both sides? Probably so and it may be that his service on the American side will never be found since it may simply never have been recorded. To have survived in those times would have been difficult enough and many fought for what they believed in without worry of whether or not record of their service was being recorded for posterity.   Thus family tradition states as  passed down through Williams daughter Nancy :

“ In those times any man 16 years or older could be called into service.  Often in emergency there were no written lists or even orders.  William Hubbs may have served without papers too. His encounter with “Bloody Bill Cunningham was once written up in a newspaper although no one seems to have a copy of it.  William was working at his farm when Cunningham was headed his way with other British.  Charles Allen, on his way to the mill, saw them, rushed to the Hubbs.  William just had time to get into the middle of a hay stack. The British knew he had been warned, so they hung Charles till he was almost dead.  They then cut him down and tried to make him talk.  He would not so they hung him again and left him for dead.  Mrs. Hubbs and one child were there si they quickly cut him down and revived him.  Charles lived to be a leading citizen of Laurens.  Oh, the men stuck a pitchfork all over the hay stack.  Either they missed William or he was not much hurt.  William was said to have had another fight with others and Bloody Bill Cunningham.  He had his sword raised and was close to Cunningham when he stumbled and fell over a log.  The British got away.”  Many years later Joseph Bolt one Nancy’s descendant’ took the time to honor this great Family Hero by placing a marker honoring   William Hubbs as a Patriot.  He was assisted by the Sons of the Revolution.  [7]

 Years later the  following story was found on the Allen family website which has helped to add proof to the service of William Hubbs. This information was  published in a obituary at the death of Charles Allen  a Prominent citizen of Laurens County South Carolina .[8] That the story is about an unrelated party to the Hubbs would make family traditions  seem very plausible.

 MY ANCESTOR WAS HANGED WHEN HE WAS 14 YEARS OLD

When Charles Allen III, born in Charlotte Virginia, in 1764, was just a young boy, his father Charles Allen II, was killed by the Tories. The Allen family had moved to what is now Laurens County, South Carolina, and were farming there when the death occurred. Mrs. Allen and her son, with the help of a few slaves, were trying to carry on with the farm as the heat of the Revolutionary War built around them in 1778.It was cotton-picking time that summer. Because everyone else was busy with the cotton and they were in need of cornmeal, Charles was sent to the grist mill about two miles by a narrow lane through a dense wood. Mrs. Allen was reluctant to send the boy carrying a twenty-five pound bag of corn over his shoulder, but he assured his mother that he was man enough to take care of the job.

It was dark and scary deep in the wood when he had followed the crooked path through a few turns so that neither end of the lane was visible. When Charles heard horses thundering around a bend, he quickly hid his sack in the brush and climbed up a big tree which had limbs that stretched out over the lane. He flattened himself out on a limb, like butter on a roasting ear, completely hidden by the leaves.  Charles froze as the horses and riders, led by Tory General William “Bloody Bill” Cunningham, stopped right underneath the limb on which he lay. He scarcely dared to breath. The men talked over their plans to kill Patriot Officer William Hubbs, at his farm on the other side of the wood. Because they could not ride through the dense wood where no path had been cleared, they would have to go on to the junction near the mill and then around the wood. As soon as the Tories rode on to complete their bloody task, Charles climbed down from his hiding place and set off through the wood to warn Mr. Hubbs. He fought his way through the brush, finding some animal trails to speed the way, praying with each breath that he would be in time. That was the same bunch of Tories that had killed his own father.

Finally, scratched, torn, panting and shouting to the Hubbs family, he broke into the clearing of the farm. “Hide, Mr. Hubbs! Quick! Hide. The Tories are coming. Bloody Bill Cunningham is coming.” Mr. Hubbs knew they would search the house and barn. Where could he hide. His son and wife were too scared to think. Hubbs quickly lay down in the barnyard and told the boys to cover him with hay. He told his wife to get her egg bucket and go to the hen house.  Soon they could hear the horses, but the haystack was pretty big by then. The boys tossed some hay over the fence to the two cows to make it look like they had just been feeding as the Tories rode into the yard.

First, the general questioned Mrs. Hubbs. “Woman, where is your husband?”

Mrs. Hubbs managed, in spite of her fear, to say, “He’s back at camp with the men.”

“I know he’s home on leave. Tell me were he is,” demanded Cunningham.

“He was home last week, but he went back.”

Bloody Bill demanded answers from the son, too. But he gave the same answers his mother did.

Seeing how scratched and torn Charles was, he turned his questions to him.  “Did you warn them we were coming? Where is Hubbs?” 

“I wouldn’t tell you. You are the one that killed my dad!”

“You had better tell me or I’ll string you to yon tree!”

“No!”

The general ordered his men to put a noose around Charles’ neck and hang him to the big tree in the yard. The did so. They hanged Charles and immediately rode off. The Hubbs family quickly ran to the tree. Mrs. Hubbs grabbed the end of the limb that was bending under the weight of the boy and swung with all of her weight. The Hubbs boy got his knife, but couldn’t reach high enough. Mr. Hubbs plunged out of the hay and ran to cut Charles down. He was still alive and soon revived.

Later in life, Charles Allen III became a well known judge. He helped survey and establish Laurens County and the town of Laurens. Judge Allen lived to be 92 years of age and died January 5, 1856. Daughters of the American Revolution erected a marker at his grave in 1974. The story of his bravery and other deeds was published in the papers and celebrated at his funeral.

Was William Hubbs an American Patriot and hero.  Bill Cunningham was probably  his neighbor and acquaintance.  He obviously wanted to hang William for some reason.  That he had switched sides, was a spy or a patriot all along matters not.  That he was obviously supporting the United States of America at the time of this incidence is.   

Note: Oct 1, 1999 I have recently found a notation to a William Hubbs, Soldier 1394 Newbern dist.  In Pierce’s Register p. 313 Vouchers pg 385 Roster of Soldiers from North Carolina in the American Revolution    This William Hubbs lived in Tennessee much of his life and moved to Kentucky before his death and is of no apparent relation to our William Hubbs.


[1] Laurens County Deeds, Deed Book B page 166 12/2/1786

[2]Book B pf 276 Deed Laurens Co South Carolina

[3]Pendleton County Conveyance Book A pages 159-160 dated 27 Apr 1789 pages 160-161

[4]1800 United States Federal Census, Laurens District South Carolina. Image service. Ancestry.com

[5]1800 United States Federal Census, Pendleton District South Carolina. Image Service

Ancestry.com

[6]Book k pg 198 Laurens Co South Carolina Deeds

[7]Mrs. Margaret Bolt

[8]   www.our-town.com/editorials/edge-clendenin/edgeancestot.htm

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